Good Question! Yomama. Anna M, I will agree with you on shunning backfiring. Individuals that continue to feed on the crap of the organization dishes out become afraid of even approaching someone who has left, no, they can't even wave at a distance. I recently had a conversation with another "inactive" for 25 years friend and we were talking about the Crickets we hear from family members, even family members that are not going to meetings. It is like in their imagination we are more powerful than ever. I don't have a problem with this, because, quite humbly, "I AM"!
Sigfrid Mallozzi
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Useing unhealthy fear to force people to obey.
by Yomama infear of being shunned.
do you have any stories?.
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2020 Convention Friday Highlights: Information Control and Hypocrisy
by neat blue dog inthere's yet another talk to add to the list of talks written specifically for damage control against "apostates".
the speaker says, "some who were once part of the christian congregation attempt to mislead us", that they tell "false accusations" & "lies".
to combat this, he says that you should "protect your ears from damaging noise by not listening to it", comparing it to wearing "noise canceling headphones".
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
Let's take time to put aside our worldly troubles and enjoy this week's meeting". Then the next hour was spent discussing .......worldly troubles! (StudyOver)
I used to be very "negatively" vocal about "Public" Talk outlines highlighting all the negative aspects of governments, the world, etc. for 40 minutes, then have 5 minutes that God's Kingdom will make it all good. I wanted to cut my wrists when someone stuck with the outline. Talks were so depressing. If the writers for the public talks had ever engaged in a formal scholastic debate they would have lost.
In the 1980's they still had conventions that were 1/2 Thursday (I think) then through the weekend. You take off work, get your family all dressed to be at the convention site by 12:00, finally settle in some seats and for four to five hours back to back talks on the subject: Listen, listen, listen, notes, notes, notes, listen, listen, listen, notes, notes, notes. I was not a happy Hot and Damp camper in Houston Texas at the Astro Dome in the summer time.
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Sunday WT Study- King of North and South
by truthlover123 inparagraph 8 dealing with who is the anglo-american power -- they note different images- feet of clay, 7 headed beast which has a 8th head arise, and so on.
the last image is of the "false prophet- indicating this is another aspect of the anglo american image quoting revelation 19:20 and saying the wild beast and the false prophet are one in the same -(i see the as separate entities) -- a/a dual world power.
which will be destroyed... .
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
Beth, I've been wondering the same thing. When the dramatic news of the day is old what is their new paradigm? The old "This is what we have been waiting for" is over for the 300th time.
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Interesting That in the Regional Convention They Are Asking for More Volunteers to Bethel
by RubaDub infor those of us who could sit through the program so far, i did find it interesting that they are again asking for people to apply to bethel.. i happened to speak to a friend who called and asked him why they would do that.
his response was that, well, they need younger people there.. i guess once you are over 50 or something you are eligible to be sent out to pasture..
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
I went to work as a volunteer at the WTF's for a week maybe two in the late 1980s. Out of the whole experience, I remember some really rude arrogant jerks from Canada doing plastering who thought their shit didn't stink. I also remember a brother who left his personal business for a week maybe two, assigned to work in the "Sheet Metal Shop" building a Parts Washer. https://www.harborfreight.com/20-gallon-parts-washer-with-pump-60769.html
I was sent to this department to get some other "stuff" but while talking to the temporary Bethelite he was obviously very upset. Perspective: This "Brother" had left a business that at the least made $500k a year and here he was assigned at WTBTS to make a parts washer that cost $200 bucks retail. The Brother's airfare was probably at least $200.00 not including his man-hours of two weeks. You do the numbers.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
Apostate says, " if the elders feel brave enough after legal says its up to the elders then the DF announcement is made"
It is Rare that elders feel brave enough facing a legal challenge.
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Tips on a successful stumble
by Fadeaway1962 inhi i don't mean tie my shoe laces together,.
i realize some theocatic warfare involved (lying) getting fed up with trying to fade .. how do jw family members react?.
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
It amazes me how being "spiritual" is confused with the physical things of going to meetings, service, working on quick builds, etc. The current Jw thought is being spiritual is supporting the corporation physically, financially, and emotionally, and in verbal commentary. Peter denied Christ many times and yet was selected as the apostle for the "keys to the kingdom". This doesn't seem to be tolerated today.
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Quit Quietly now more than ever
by gone for good inthe amazing exoneration of info sekta in swiss court has finally reinforced the proper way to exit an abusive cult.. never write a letter of disassociation.
- no need to invoke shepherding or judicial action from elders.
make a written, dated statement of your free-will choice to have abandoned the jw religion - secure this document with a friend -a trusted friend (not the jw kind).
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
Wouldn't just writing a statement with a date and having it notarized, or just signed by two witnesses, (NOT JW's) and keep the document for yourself be about the same? For some of us after making the mental decision to leave we have only a few other acquaintances.
I have heard several experiences of family's being out for 15 years and someone stirs up a drama storm and the elders are writing letters requiring a signature and a formal response from the individual family members. The family's response was they wrote letters and they also mentioned how petty the elders were to pursue someone that has had no association for 15 or more years.
The family also mentioned the mental and emotional "pain and suffering" created by the Local Congregation and said that if the elder's bothered them in any other way, pursued them, stalked them, or if an announcement was made concerning them they would sue the three elders personally and then the congregation. The congregations' pursuit was dropped immediately, but the "elders" defended themselves and made the assertion that the pursued family was causing the trouble, saying, they said they would get lawyers and so and such.
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$77 Million sent OS from Australia
by why144000 inpoor watchtower in australia, they made a loss of $1,537,325 in 2019 according to their filings with the government.
they obviously can't participate in the national redress scheme as they don't have the funds.
only problem is that they have sent over $77,000,000 of donations from australian publishers to overseas branches in the past 4 years.
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
Yes, such a huge worldwide organization and they are starving to death in "Little Australia" . Pitiful.
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Expectation vs Reality
by joey jojo in.
just wanted to put this out there for any lurkers.. as someone that grew up during the 70s and 80s, we were promised that we would be in the first picture long ago.
if you are still on the fence, please let this sink in for a while..
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
To me, instead of the insane overlapping generation explanation, (my opinion) they would have done better with addressing the issue face on saying, "1914 was an error, we will not teach that anymore, however, we feel we are close to the end". "We have a wonderful brotherhood to move forward with and we feel that God's blessings are with us and are demonstrated in our brotherhood." There will be some changes, no preaching, no book studies, one assembly a year. God gave us the earth to inherit so learn about what God has given us and travel. In addition, no judicial meetings or disfellowshipping. Oh, and beards? If you have been blessed with a beard, you may grow it.
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How far is this idiocy going to go?
by BoogerMan inhttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-53201667.
the simpsons team - because of criticism over white actor hank azaria's voiceover of indian-american character apu - is terminating the caricature.
people claimed that it "reinforced racial stereotypes.".
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Sigfrid Mallozzi
I recently read that they are wanting to change the name of John Wayne Airport in Orange County, California because of a 1971 interview with Playboy. (I only read Playboy for the Articles)
John Wayne is quoted as saying, “With a lot of Blacks, there’s quite a bit of resentment, along with their dissent, and possibly rightfully so,” he said. “But we can’t all of a sudden get down on our knees and turn everything over to the leadership of the Blacks. I believe in white supremacy until the Blacks are educated to a point of responsibility.”
He continued, “I don’t believe in giving authority and positions of leadership and judgment to irresponsible people. … I don’t feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from the Indians. Our so-called stealing of this country from them was just a matter of survival. There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves.”